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Three Ring Radio Interview 2 - Aired June 28th - July 5th, 2004 Three Ring Radio is a radio program hosted by Shane Bugbee, who also runs EvilNow.com. Named the 'evilest show on earth' Ringmaster Shane Bugbee presents an hour of talk, music, porn, sex, crime, and satan! It airs on RadioFreeSatan.com. You can contact Shane here: E-mail: evilfinevil@yahoo.com Evil Now Website: http://www.evilnow.com/ Three Ring Radio Website: http://www.threeringradio.com/
Featuring Shane Bugbee, Amy Bugbee, Abby Brimstone, Owen Leitsch Shane: Owen Leitsch, Abby Brimstone, Amy the Whore of Horror…I guess we should recreate these great conversations that we had earlier today. Owen: In your drunken state that you were in last evening. Shane: Don’t even bring that shit up mister…I told you, erase that from your fuckin’ mind. Amy: That must have been ugly. Shane: Owen was lucky enough to see me in a rare drunken moment… RARE, you hear me? I think I was crying. I almost shed tears… almost, it wasn’t that bad. Owen: I’ll never tell Shane: How do you know this lovely lady you brought with you? Owen: This is my girlfriend Abby Brimstone, say “Hi” Abby. Abby: Hi… I’m not sure what to talk about. Owen: She’s real shy, guys. Abby: No, I’m really not that shy. I’m just not sure what to talk about. Shane: The only reason I got them in here is because. Abby: He’s forcing us. Shane: It’s an audio raping. Abby: I feel so violated. Shane: Aw man I love it. Owen: Hey, Hey, Hey nobody’s violating anybody here. Shane: So Abby, you have a new website? Abby: No it’s just the same website I had before but I got a new domain name for it. Shane: And what is that? Abby: It’s at www.bewitchingbrimstone.com now. Shane: Amy, you were checking out Abby’s website earlier last night? Amy: Yeah the other morning. Shane: What did you see? Amy: Photos of Abby and photos she’s taken. And links to articles that she wrote for The Trident. Shane: You write for the Trident? Abby: Yes. Shane: What is The Trident? Abby: It’s The Legion of Loki’s publication. They’re out of St. Louis. Owen: It’s a fantastic magazine. Shane: Really? Owen: You should pick it up. Abby: It’s great. Shane: How do you get it? Owen: It’s mail order only. You can go to the Legion of Loki website. Shane: Just search through the internet for Legion of Loki? Owen: Sure. Abby: I have links from my website to theirs. Shane: Of course you do, you write for them. Abby: I write a column called “Dear Abby Brimstone” and its different things that come up in my mind or if they are covering a certain topic in their issue, which they sometimes do, I try to make it revolve around that. Shane: What are some of the articles that you’ve written? Abby: I wrote this one for their Money issue called “The Dollar and the Satanist”, where a dollar bill asking me what it means to me and I relate it to Satanism as far as my point of view goes. Their latest issue is “Satanism in the Military” and I wrote about an experience I had with a bomb scare. Shane: You did? Abby: Yes. Shane: How? Abby: So you haven’t read it yet? Shane: No. Abby: I don’t know if I should spoil it, you should pick it up. Shane: Well give us a tease. Abby: It’s a short story so I’m afraid if I gave away any of it. Shane: OK, that’s fair enough. Abby: You could go to my website and check out a little tidbit about it. Shane: Give me absolutely nothing for the radio show. Just everyone check out the website and read the article. Abby: Yeah. Shane: Exactly. (Laughs) So Abby, how do you hook up with a gentleman who does bone sculptures? I tell you, I can’t put my finger on it, I love what I’m getting, trust me, but I’m a demented person. I don’t see Owen as being so demented, I don’t know him that well, you do. Is it as demented as I imagine having a good friend, a bone sculpture artist? Abby: I dunno, it seems pretty normal to me, but maybe I’m kinda crazy then. Shane: You don’t think it’s crazy? Or it’s odd, maybe not odd to you but it’s gotta be odd to the art world. Abby: It’s very unique, but I’ve heard really good comments about it. Shane: At art shows? Abby: Yes, about how sophisticated it is. It’s such a primal form of artwork using bones. But he’s using it in such a sophisticated way it really conveys a deep message when you think about it. Shane: So when you do art shows, people aren’t that taken back by it. Abby: I’m not going to say no one is. There’s always those people who are looking at the art and then they’ll walk by and then they see a bunch of bones and the sculpture together and they get this horrified look and then they just keep walking. Owen: Some children yell, scream and cry. Some are really fascinated and ask me if I just dug up a dinosaur or something. One of the coolest things that people say is that my artwork looks like a Giger piece brought to life. I love Giger’s artwork, his airbrush technique, everything he does and for me that is an awesome comment. Shane: I would think they are right. I now have two pieces, I have a wonderful lamp made out of the ribs… am I correct? Owen: The back bone. Shane: Back bone, so the long pieces are part of the back bone? Owen: Right. Shane: Wow, and what animal is that again? Owen: That’s from a cow. The long piece that you talk about are called the “spines” they come off of the back of the vertebrae and they give the back its shape, its curvature. Shane: It’s wicked cool, bones, knives, and flesh hanging off of it, and blood. It’s a wicked Ed Gein style or a Nazi style. If you could have gotten numbers tattooed into some of this leather it would look like a Nazi lamp or something. I can imagine that is something that Ed Gein were alive today, he would want. Or he would be your competition. I would imagine this stuff in Ed Gein’s house. Amy: Well, didn’t he have lampshades made out of skin. Shane: He had the finest collection of nipples. Amy: The Sheriff had ever seen. Shane: In a documentary, the Sheriff said “He had the finest collection of nipples I’ve ever seen”, and we looked at each other thinking “you’ve seen another one”? “how many collections do they have up there?” Owen: He had a box full of vulvas and noses, and all kinds of stuff. Shane: He worked with flesh, you work with bones. Owen: He worked with bone too. He actually made armchairs with human arms. Shane: Soup bowls out of skulls… Do you think of moving up to flesh, vulvas in the box or anything? Abby: I hope not. Owen: I won’t say anymore… flesh and box you know what I’m talking about… I don’t go out wearing a skin suit, howling at the moon. I like working with bone. Amy: Another 20 years, you’ll be doing that. Abby: When he goes crazy. Owen: Maybe. Shane: Now I’ve finally met you, I’ve talked to you over the phone. Your very smart and as Abby said sophisticated person at some level and a very nice guy. Amy: Subdued. Shane: Subdued, you’re a good guy. I feel like we are friends. So the art you do. Owen: Probably what you would call a darker side of my psyche, I guess. Shane: I thought of working with bone but out of people while they are living. Owen: You want to harvest the bones like organ donors, only living. Shane: I’d like to make some bone sculptures but more like on House of 1000 Corpses. Fishboy. There’s my kind of art. How are you different from that character? Owen: Are you comparing me to Otis? Shane: I’m not comparing you to him; you’re nothing like him, but... Owen: I don’t see too much comparison there. He made some interesting art, but he went about it all wrong, I think. He actually killed people. Shane: So people make art to express themselves, to get something out of their systems. How do you decide to start working in bones? Owen: Well. Shane: I asked you about this the last time, and I try to figure out what is going on in your head. You’re so mellow and normal, it scares me. They say “Dahmer, he was so normal, he was a nice guy”. I’m hoping maybe I’ll get a surprise and find out those are real human finger bones – the cops come confiscate my stuff – these are real people! Owen: No, I don’t use any human remains; however, I am open to use them. I wouldn’t mind using human remains, except through lawful means, buying them from stores where they get them from donors or from China or India. Shane: Where life is real cheap. Amy: Do you slaughter the animals that you use? Owen: No. Mainly they either die from old age or they are road kill. Shane: How do you do this? How do you get the bones? Owen: I have a friend in southern Kentucky who will gather road kill. He has a bunch of property so a lot of animals out there will die. He will gather these carcasses, move them to the back of his property and let them decompose naturally. Where bugs and flies, and carian beetle, and that sort of things will eat on the flesh, along with other animals. Through the nature, the bodies will decompose down to bones. When he has a big pile of them he will give me a call and I’ll go down and pick them up. Shane: So Owen, you’ve never gotten into your mind about this stuff? Why do you do what you do? Owen: No. Shane: Ever figured it out? Owen: Trying to, I guess. I’ve always been interested in weird, creepy, bizarre things. Whether you are talking about Fishboy, based from the Fiji Mermaid that P.T. Barnum made famous. I find that fascinating that someone could take a taxidermied fish and a monkey body and put them together to create the Fiji Mermaid. That would be something I wouldn’t mind trying myself. I have always been interested in weird and odd things, collecting skulls and bones and over the years, I just amassed a huge collection and I thought that there should be something I can do with this. The idea just popped into my head; making odd sculptures with bones. Shane: Are you obsessed with death? Owen: No. Shane: I am. That’s the only I can think of when collecting bones and stuff, that I’m obsessed. Abby: With the collecting, it’s like you are confronting death in the face, this is what happens. I think that if you take the remains of animals and you’re showing them off in such an artistic way, you’re still keeping their spirit alive in a way. It’s not so much death, but it’s recreating life to an extent. Owen: That’s a good point. Shane: I saw some of that when Amy was talking about the dog bones. She noticed, ‘those are dog skulls’ She is very sensitive to animals, and she was concerned about where the bones came from and how you got them. Her first question was “How did you get those bones, those are dogs”, and she had a knife behind her back and she was ready to do some damage, some hacking. You explained your friend on the farm and such. I saw, like you’re saying Abby, this is a cool way of recycling and use what is going to be dust soon and I don’t have a problem with it. I love it, obviously, I’ve gotten two pieces of Owen’s and one is hanging. And wait until you see photos on all of our web sites. It’s hanging up in our bedroom. I love Owen’s stuff. I’m still trying to figure out why I bought them. I bought a John Wayne Gacy painting at one time and I hung it on the wall and I tried to figure out why I bought it. I am really into hypocrisy, and it was the hypocrisy of this serial killer being able to paint paintings out of a state prison, it was almost like Uncle Sam was handing me this painting from John Wayne Gacy. And that was what excited me about it. Owen: Do you feel the same way when you collect other serial killer memorabilia? Shane: Not all of them, some of them I really admire. If I were to get a Carl Panzram autograph I really admire him. And I admire Richard Ramirez on some level – for their honesty. Everything I collect is different. I don’t feel the same way about other serial killers, John Wayne Gacy; I did because of the mass marketing of his artwork. When I talked to him he said that he paints them so he can whack off and relive his crimes. He loves it when victims’ families get on TV and complain about it, that’s the best thing about doing the paintings. To hear him say that, I thought, “Whoa this is too wild.” When I get something from Charles Manson, it’s a whole different trip. I don’t consider him a serial killer… Owen: He is labeled as a Mass Murderer. Shane: It’s different than everything I collect. Your stuff I’m trying to figure out. I look at it and it looks like something out of a spooky movie. It looks like something off a movie set like Texas Chainsaw Massacre. It looks like something that should be hanging in the house where they go in there. To me it’s like walking into a creepy movie set. I love monsters and creepy stuff. There’s no sickness to your stuff, you aren’t twisted. I don’t see it, but I do see when people come over they freak out; eyes are bulging out of their head. My dad came over and he was like “OK, you guys are fucked in the head”. And that’s what I wondered, I’m trying to figure out what attracts me to your stuff. Today, I just got the chandelier - we hung the chandelier up and I laid in the bed for about 10 seconds and looked at it. I really can’t wait to lay and stare at it for a couple of hours and think about it and go inside my psyche and figure out why I enjoy it. Owen: You asked me the last time where it comes from and I really don’t know… Shane: How long have you been doing it? Owen: Since 1997 Shane: So 5 or 6 years Owen: Yeah Shane: I’ve been doing what I do for 20 years and I did an interview yesterday and I told the guy I’m just starting to figure out why I did what I did. Sometimes it was second nature, I just did them, and just now I’m starting to figure it out in 20 years. That’s why I asked you if you figured it out. Some people know when they do it and some figure it out along the way. Abby: You also started doing it for the fact that you wanted to see something like that out there… Shane: Owen, right? Abby: Yes. He started creating these sculptures because he wanted to see some kind of artwork with it. Shane: He would want to hang in his house… Abby: Yes. And there aren’t many other artists doing anything like it, so you sorta have to make it yourself. Owen: There are maybe a handful of artists who do work in bone. Maybe 5 or 6 that I know of that are in the California or Arizona region. Shane: Really? Who do they market to? Owen: I don’t know who they market to or what their heritage is if they are Native American or what. But some of them do interesting sculptures, one was a 15 inch motorcycle made out of vertebrae, ribs and other stuff…
Owen: As far as I know, I am the first one, because on their sites, they don’t go into their history. But I am the first that I know of, documented bone artist. Shane: Hey Owen, introduce this next song… Owen: Some people want to know when I’m doing my sculptures if there are specific things that I listen to. I listen to a wide range of music, one of my favorites is Ministry and probably my favorite song is “Scarecrow” off of their “Psalm 69” album. That’s the song I’ve chosen to play… Shane: And you do a lot of work to it. Amy what were you saying earlier? Amy: My sister paints and that’s one of her favorite songs to paint to. Owen: I thought that was interesting, I don’t know Amy’s sister… Shane: You’ve seen the painting in the living room, the red one, that’s her sister’s. Abby: I didn’t know that. Shane: Yeah, the big red one with the house. Abby: Yeah, I love that painting. Shane: It’s wicked cool. Her sister that did that. Owen: I think that’s interesting that she listens to the same kind of music. Shane: You know, she gets a similar reaction to her paintings that they do with your work. I’ve hung April’s work at a gallery I used to have; people would come in and freak out about it. Amy: She paints with her own blood. Owen: Wow. Shane: This song affects people Owen: Inspires a lot of artists Shane: Well we are going to play it now… (Music: Ministry – Scarecrow) Abby: The Monkees Shane: We were talking Monkees while that was going on… Amy: The good ole Monkees. Shane: So Abby, you are a photographer? Abby: Yeah. Shane: Are you a professional photographer? Abby: Yes. Shane: You were telling me that you came from a family of artists, or an art upbringing? Abby: Yes. My Dad worked in Art Museums when I was little and I was always in art museums. My Mom and my Dad are creative people. My Dad does drawings and paintings and she does pottery and did photography in college. They’ve always encouraged me to create art and use my imagination and be very creative. So I was always interested in different forms of art, I would draw and paint and I started doing photography and that was my favorite thing to do. I was very interested in commercial art and graphic design for the mere fact of a profit of doing that. It seems that if you go into art, you try to create art and you don’t get any money and it’s a real hard life, hence the term “Starving Artist.” I thought there would be money in it and I went to school to do commercial art and you could either do graphic design or photography or both. So you had to take classes in everything and I just started leaning more towards the photography, it was such a great thing for me. Shane: Those are some nice photos. Abby: Thanks. Owen: I took some of those. Shane: I believe it. Abby: The ones of me. Amy: I think the photo you took of Abby was the best photo of you. I thought it just stood out. Owen: Which one? Amy: I don’t know. It was the first picture on the page and it was credited to Owen. I thought it was an awesome photo. Abby: Thanks Shane: He represents you well. Owen: I do pretty good, I take good snapshots. Shane: Let’s talk more about the Monkees. Abby: Oh yeah… Shane: Hand me those Monkees CD’s. We were talking about Head earlier. I had no idea they put out a Head soundtrack. I love The Monkees. Abby: They are awesome. Shane: The Monkees are awesome Owen: Are you a Monkee Junkie? Abby: I am a Monkee Junkie. Shane: A Monkee Junkie, I’m not that bad, but I do love the Monkees. The main reason, it goes back to being a little kid about first grade, I got a Monkees record for a Christmas gift. It was like show-and-tell and I brought it in and all the girls mobbed the record, grabbed it out of my hand. I was the cool guy with the Monkees record. So I said “The Monkees are cool.” I had the record albums before that, but then I really liked the Monkees. Amy: Or as they say in the neighborhood we were in earlier, “The Shizznit”. Shane: Yeah, we went to see Speck’s house. We are all over the place because it’s midnight. But Abby said that earlier she saw a Baphomet on Owen and folks that listen to this show maybe don’t know what we are talking about, but you two are in The Church of Satan. Abby: Yes. Owen: Correct. Shane: Aren’t you a big deal now? Didn’t you take over the Church of Satan, Owen? Isn’t this true, Owen? Owen: Well, Abby and I both got our positions raised in the Church of Satan. We are both second degree… Shane: Black belts? Abby: Close to it, but now I am a Witch Shane: You’re a Witch? Abby: Yes. Shane: I knew that before anyone told me. Owen: And my title is now Warlock. Shane: Wow! Amy: That’s awesome! Shane: I don’t know what that means but… Owen: It means that we both Kick Ass. Shane: That’s what it means, exactly. You know what, I was drinking last night, and I looked it up and that’s exactly what it said, we kick ass. So, back to the Monkees. Abby and I were getting adamant because Owen was brushing off the Monkees. But when he sees the movie Head, he will understand the true genius of the Monkees. Abby: I have been trying to get him to see it. Shane: How can you not watch it? They show a dude getting shot in the head in the first five seconds. In the first five seconds they show this guy, BAM, BAM, BAM, right in the fucking head! They show it a thousand times… It’s so crazy. Abby: The reason he hasn’t seen it is the fact that I really want him to sit down and be able to watch it. Every time I suggest watching it, he is tired, or something else comes up. Shane: What’s wrong with you, been playing with your bone all of the time. Owen: Yes. I have a busy schedule; I have to play with bones all night long. Shane: Anyway, I didn’t know there was a Head soundtrack, what’s on here? Abby: It’s really great stuff. There are songs and clips from the movie. Even in the movie there is a guy watching TV, he’s flipping through channels and he is watching The Black Cat, starring… Owen: Bela Lugosi and Boris Karloff Abby: It’s pretty cool; they have a clip of Bela Lugosi talking on one of the tracks. Shane: Which one? I have it in… Abby: I have no idea; I just listen to it all the way through… (Music: Monkees – Head Soundtrack… skipping through tracks.) Shane: Here it is… Abby: This first one is a radio commercial… Shane: Let’s find The Black Cat… (Music: Monkees –Ditty Diego-War Chant) Shane: Listen to this Owen, they’re swooning you… They are so awesome… Abby: It’s so brilliant. The whole movie is so creative about how manufactured the Monkees are. The Monkees came from a manufactured idea like all of the reality shows. They really got fed up with it because nobody believed they could be creative. When they started becoming creative, the public wanted the pop Monkees and they just came up with this crazy movie which was the death of the Monkees but it shows who they are and what they want to convey. Shane: I’m with you. It’s not like the Monkees. But when we were playing “Scarecrow”, Abby was like “It is the Monkees!” Abby: It’s the real Monkees, if you watch the TV Monkees, Peter Tork plays the idiot, but in this movie, he is really philosophical and he talks about how he is supposed to be the dummy. Shane: And a fucking dude gets shot in the head a thousand times! Amy: And it’s written by Jack Nicholson. Abby: Did you hear the story about how they wrote it? Shane: No, speak up. Abby: The Monkees, the director and Jack Nicholson spent about 3 days in a hotel room getting high and talking to a tape recorder. Shane: No fucking way. Wow, you’re a bigger Monkee than me! What else was in the movie? Abby: Frank Zappa was in there with the talking cow… Shane: Yeah that was a cool part, I love Frank Zappa. No bone sculptures in the Head movie, just bones blowing out of some guys head. Amy: I know what we will be watching when you guys are driving back to Louisville. Shane: Right, I’m putting Head on the minute you walk out the door. This may be a personal question but too bad; do you indulge in any drugs? Abby: No. Shane: Have you ever tried? Abby: Tried, but no good outcome. Shane: I was just wondering because Head… Abby: It is pretty trippy. That’s more of my drug than anything else, watching great entertainment. Shane: Right on. I’m someone who has done a couple of drugs, so I figure that it only relates to me and people like that. It seems like an acid head movie. Abby: Well, I can see that. Shane: I just couldn’t understand who would relate to that movie. But the artist community and the drug community could see that movie for what it is. Abby: It did really terribly because everyone wanted to see their ideal Monkees, but I think it’s the epitome of their whole career. (Music: Monkees – Supplicio) Abby: That was a great part, it was when Micky was arguing with himself and finally he tells himself to shut up. And all of the sudden it was so quiet. He couldn’t hear anything, and then that voice comes on. Shane: Were talking about The Monkees, The Monkees movie, Head. Were talking to Owen Leitsch and Abby Brimstone; Amy, the Whore of Horror and me, Three Ring Radio dot com. I changed my name to three ring radio… What should I play here Abby? Pick a song. (Music: Monkees – Superstitutious) Owen: That was from the Black Cat. (Music: Monkees – As We Go Along) Shane: Were back. That was the Monkees. I love the Monkees. I also like the Carpenters. Owen: Shane loves The Carpenters Shane: A Carpenters special coming up soon. Amy: He’s getting a sculpture made from Karen Carpenter’s bones. Shane: They are really skinny though. Owen: You know Shane, if Mama Cass had shared that ham sandwich with Karen Carpenter, they both would be alive today. Shane: Oh, Owen… (Laughs) Owens doing a stand up act soon, look for the bone microphone stand. Owen: I did one of those. Shane: A bone microphone stand? Owen: Yes. Owen: I don’t know what his looks like. Shane: He did King Diamond’s famous bone microphone stand, he isn’t supposed to tell… Abby, your site is full of photos, I hear that you are going to have a member’s section full of photos of you, is that true? Abby: I dunno, we’ll see, I guess. Shane: Beg this woman for prints. She won’t sell any of her artwork and Owens getting pissed. Owen: I’m getting pissed because people are asking her for nude pictures. Shane: Getting pissed? What do you expect? … Owen has nothing to say. Let me tell you, if you met Owen you wouldn’t as his girl for a naked picture. Amy: You’d definitely think twice. Shane: And Amy, your wonderful site has caused so much trouble, you’ve been kicked off Paypal, causing a ruckus in the Republican Indiana boards. She’s so far left, she’s a Liberal Nazi. She’s all for a lot of things and she’s for killing stupid people. Read about it on her web site. And my sites are better than all three put together... So what’s coming up here, Abby has a wicked cool, I think wicked cool, and she’s trying to trick me I think… Amy: Let’s hear about it Abby. Abby: No, it’s awesome. Shane: What are we audio raping people with? Abby: It’s my favorite band right now, it’s this Japanese rock band called The Pillows. I heard them on this Anime called Fooly Cooly (FLCL) that is just the coolest piece of animation you will see and this is one of my favorite songs by them called Hybrid Rainbow. Shane: Hybrid Rainbow… (Music: The Pillows – Hybrid Rainbow) Shane: Owen, Thanks for bringing up that wonderful chandelier, that’s going to be on Necrosculptures.com. Owen: You’re quite welcome. It’s a pleasure for me to build it for you. Shane: Yeah? Owen: Yeah. I like doing it. Shane: And it took you how long? Owen: 55 hours to complete it. There were a lot of breaks between those 55 hours. Shane: I appreciate you hand delivering it, it’s awesome to be able to rub elbows with talented folks like yourselves. Abby: Thank You Owen: Likewise Shane: I’ve been talking with you on the phone and through emails so we have somewhat a friendly relationship and it’s great to meet Abby. It’s an honor to meet both of you in person, it’s really cool. Amy: Absolutely. Abby & Owen: Likewise. Shane: That’s all I can say, it’s been something I won’t forget, for sure, hanging that chandelier. Getting the lamp in the mail was cool, but this was something special that you came up here and did that. It means a lot to me. Owen: I’m glad you enjoy it. Shane: Thanks for taking some time out. Owen: I’m sure it will bring you years of… Shane: Nightmares? Owen: Pleasure. Shane: It better, isn’t that the guarantee you gave me? Owen: I think there was something mentioned about that. Amy: Our dog sure liked it; she was licking away at it. Shane: The dog thought it was one huge treat for her. Owen: She thought Christmas came early. Shane: Yeah. I guess that’s all we have to say… Owen: Keep checking back to the websites, I’m sure we will be updating soon with new pictures and other stuff. Shane: The plan for world domination doesn’t stop here. Abby: No it doesn’t. Shane: Exactly. Owen: Didn’t someone say that a journey of a thousand miles starts with one step? Shane: Yeah, I think, who said
that, Cheech or Chong? Oh no, that was, “I’d walk a thousand
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